Alright! This is John Kohler with!
Today we have another exciting episode for you! And on this cold and cloudy, a little
bit maybe even drizzly rainy day, I got an awesome exciting episode for you guys! I’m
at a place that I’ve been wanting to show you guys forever! And today’s the day I’m
finally here to share with you guys. It’s one of my ace in the holes or what is that
ace in the pocket, no , ace up the sleeve, right? It’s like your secret like stash
of stuff. I’m sharing with you guys my secret stash of where I’ve been getting some of
the products I use in my very garden for the last several years. And we’re here today
at Biologic Crop Solutions. This place used to be called Biologic Systems. Now they’re
called Biologic Crop Solutions. It’s an organic soil products for your farm and garden
even home owners. You could check out their website at We are here currently
in Santa Rosa, California. And for those of you guys that live here in the Bay area, you
guys are super lucky to have this amazing resource right here. And also for those of
you guys up in Ashland Oregon area, they also have a second location up near Ashland, Oregon,
so you guys consider yourself lucky there as well. So you could actually drive here
and pick up some of the stuff, some of the awesome organic and more important than just
organic, biologic soil solutions that they’re offering. Anyways, let’s go ahead and go in and we’re
going to give you guys a tour of the Biologic Crop Solutions yard, what they got growing
on here and why, more importantly, I like them so much. So now we’re at the front of Biologic Crop
Solutions, and this is their little warehouse building where they have all the bagged products.
But besides just the bagged product, they also have bulk products. So whether you’re
a backyard farmer, backyard gardener like myself or you have an industrial farm, they
can supply you guys the biologic organic products you guys need. I mean, this is how easy it
is. They don’t have like big dump trucks and you know, like loaders to load up bulk
stuff. Their bulk is all in these super totes in one cubic yard or two cubic yards. So that
really makes it easy to transport and handle for you guys. So here at Biologic, they don’t just have
standard bulk organic soil products. There’s a lot of places here in town, you know, that
will sell bulk organic soil products. You could go down to like a local soil yard and
just pick up, you know, bulk products at a local nursery or, you know, landscape supply
center where they’ll like load you up with a bunch of stuff. But not all composts, not
all soil products are created equal. And in this episode, you guys will learn what a good
bulk organic soil product or even a bagged organic soil product, what the difference
is between a good one and maybe one that may not be so good. And what you want to ask for
to know that you’re getting good stuff. And I’m proud to say that here at Biologic,
you know, they do testing on all the bulk, you know, and some of the bagged soil products
that they sell. So you know you’re getting your money’s worth. You’re paying top
dollar for good products that are going to actually make a difference in your garden.
Because not all organic products unfortunately are created equal. And they’ve taken the
time to source some of the finest materials that I have actually found of all the places
I have ever visited. So anyways, let’s go ahead and give you guys a tour of the yard,
what they got going on, some of the materials they have, and then at the end we’re going
to interview one of the ladies here who is actually quite knowledgable about growing
beyond organic, which is biologic and organic. So when you get to Biologic Crop Solutions,
there’s not like a lot here really. There’s just like a little parking area that we’re
standing in now. And there’s like a little warehouse with all the bagged products. There’s
a little office over here, you know, where we’re going to go and talk to somebody.
They got a lot of cool like plants growing. And then as we walk in a little bit more here,
you’re going to see they got like a little greenhouse over there and they got like the
soil yard with like bulk soils in the back. What I’m going to do next is actually take
you guys into the little greenhouse they got growing and explain to you guys why they have
this greenhouse on site and what they’re doing with it. So what they’re doing in this greenhouse
here, they got a lot of stuff going on. They’re propagating different succulents that actually
look amazingly healthy. They got a few fruits and some vegetable plants. And what they’re
doing here is actually they’re putting their money where their mouth is. They’re actually
using the products that they sell to grow all these potted plants, and, you know, other,
you know, like raised bed container style plants, actually along in the property as
well, using growing them biologically using the products. And to me they all look very
healthy. And, you know, they’re doing trials. So they don’t, they, you know, before they
bring in a product they’ll be testing to make sure the product works and has efficiency
and actually does something instead of just not doing anything. I mean, you could read
about all these products that they sell online all the time, but just because the product,
you know, has a lot of data or marketing materials out there doesn’t mean it works. So I really,
you know, literally hats off to Biologic for testing the products and making sure they
work before they sell them. Because a lot of other companies may not do just that. Anyways, what I want to do next actually is
show you guys something free you could get here at Biologic that will definitely change
your plants life. So before I give you guys a tour of Biologic
here, what I want to let you guys know is that every Tuesday they give out free compost
tea! And this is the best tea that I have found in the entire area! It’s amazing that
they give out free tea. And most places might give a gallon of tea. Here they give you guys
3 gallons of free tea! And if you want to buy more you could certainly do that. And
it’s, they call it Tea Time Tuesday or Free Tea Tuesday. And the compost tea is a base
of what makes things biologic. And what brings the biologic aspect is the micro organisms,
the beneficial bacteria and fungi and other living creatures in the soil that’s actually
getting removed and not encouraged to grow when you use things like chemical fertilizers
like Miracle crap fertilizer like these synthetic fertilizers that so many places including
the place across the street, you know, sell these chemical fertilizers, you know. Biologic
System here is all about growing in an organic and even beyond organic way, which is biologic.
So they do that by giving out free tea. Of course they also sell you the product so you
guys could make your own tea at home. So that’s actually what I want to get into
next is actually share with you guys some of the products they sell you guys that they
use in their own tea, and some of the products you will want to add to your garden to take
your garden up to the next level, you know. Whether you’re growing fruits, vegetables,
succulents, medicinal herbs, the stuff they sell here will definitely bring you up to
the next level, get you guys having higher yields, you know, healthier plants with less
pests pressures and also higher things like higher brix and higher amounts of those volatile
oils that many people may be looking for, and all other kinds of cool things when you
grow in a system like that nature set up. I mean, they’re just basically duplicating
nature to the highest level using some man-made inputs and using nature to our advantage.
And so they aren’t trying to subvert nature and go around nature by feeding plant roots
directly with you know water soluble nutrients that leach out and then can mess up, you know,
the gulf of Mexico, pollute the water table and all this kind of stuff. So anyways, actually I think I want to head
into the back and show you guys actually some of the big soil totes that they have. They
got some really cool compost, worm castings and even beyond standard compost, they got
some fungal dominated compost which is actually quite rare. So now I want to share with you guys the soil
yard here. And the soil yard’s pretty cool because it’s not like big piles of soil,
it doesn’t stink, everything’s fully composted and broken down. And we’re going to go back
over here. So here they got two cubic yard totes of compost. And check out this compost
here. This is a nice, rich, dark, black fully composted materials here. This is not like
that bagged crap that you buy in the store. So if you guys are a serious professional
grower or even a home gardener, you want to get some good compost, this is organic certified
compost. And I mean, it’s nice and composted finely. And like really a neutral smell. This
is definitely really good stuff. At present time this two yard tote will cost you about
$150. So the stuff here at Biologic, I’m not going to, you know, say that it’s cheap,
aside from that free compost tea, but you will be getting a quality product. You’ll
have to pay for it, you know, you’re going to pay a little bit of money to get the good
stuff because we know if we’re buying cheap stuff, you know, it’s not the good stuff!
And so, anyways, besides this bulk product, let’s go ahead and show you guys two more
bulk products that they currently have in stock, one of which I really like a lot. So the product I like here at Biologic the
most is actually a product that is very difficult to find. And most places won’t even know
what you’re talking about or have it. And what basically is, it’s a fungal dominated
compost. This is derived from things like wood chips that have been composted over the
years and create a high fungal activity in the compost. Most composts’ that you buy
is basically created through thermal activity or with heat and they have bacteria breaking
it down. This is totally different than that. So if you’re just buying compost, you’re
not going to get the fungal activity in there. And based on, you know, studies I’ve seen,
personally experiences and farms and gardens I’ve visited who’s using the fungal dominated
compost, the results are simply amazing because there’s just not enough of this fungal activity
that you’re going to get unless you’re adding in, you know, good amounts of the fungal
dominated compost. What they have here is actually a reject material.
They got shipped this, and it actually wasn’t good enough for them. So they actually, they
got this product in 2015. They haven’t been selling it. They have other fungal dominated
compost that they do offer. But this is basically been sitting here for a year, and when they
got this it was a reject because there’s actually too much wood chips that were not
fully composted down. So it’s been sitting here composting for like a whole year and
breaking down. But look at that! This is nice and rich black stuff. Now we’re going to
cover this a little bit later, but if somebody is telling you they got a fungal dominated
compost, don’t just take their word for it, don’t just look at it and say oh that
looks like good broken down stuff, you know. You want to ask them for the food soil web
testing, which I’m going to show you guys in a minute, and show you guys why it’s
important to get that documentation to prove what’s in the compost. Because a lot of
places will say oh yeah ours is fungal dominated, but then they’ve got no testing. And this
bothers me a lot, you know. Maybe they think it’s fungal, maybe it was made properly
but how do we know unless there’s testing. So I like that, you know, here at Biologic
they get testing on almost all the products, specially the bulk soil products that they
offer. So the other product they feature and they
have totes have, which actually they manufacture themselves, so you’re not going to find
this anywhere else is their vermite technology pure black castings Heal Mother Earth. And
what this is, this is a 100% worm castings. And check this stuff out here. This is some
of the nicest worm castings. This is not like, this is 100% castings in here. Check this
stuff out. I mean I could dig in this. This looks like black lava sand. I mean, it’s
so dark. Look at that. Really nice, neutral smell. Now they got their worms on a special
diet to make these worm castings, you know. You could go to the store and you could buy
a bag of worm castings, but not all worm castings are created equal. The worm castings are only
as good as what they’re feeding the worms. And it’s quite unfortunate, specially if
you’re trying to get cheap worm castings, which I’ve been guilty of before in the
past, you know, they’re not going to work the same because the cheap worm castings basically
they got all this cow manure from the dairy industry and all this stuff. They take that
cow manure and they feed it to the worms. The worms eat it, then they poop out the castings.
But the worms only have a single ingredient nutrient, which is dairy manure, which unfortunately
also may contain GMO remnants if that dairy is feeding their, you know, cows GMO corn
and soy as their food. It also may contain things like antibiotics that may be also in
the worm castings residues, you know, once it’s made. But here at Biologic, the worm
castings that they offer are fed a variety of different ingredients. And each ingredient
that they’re feeding their worms are in there for a certain reason. Because based
on what the worm is eating, they’re going to produce certain exudates or certain things
in their poop like enzymes and like bacteria and all these different things that are going
to be beneficial for your soil. And then, furthermore, even to go to the next level
besides doing that, they get testing on their worm castings, food soil web testings to prove
the quality of their worm castings. So we’re going to be sure to show you guys that near
the end. Now besides these bulk soil products, they
also have a lot of bagged soil products. So let me go ahead and take you guys to that
area next. So here at Biologic they recommend a base
mix. And the base mix is this stuff is what they recommend. This is the Berger, it’s
French I’m probably pronouncing that wrong. This is a good growing mix. This is an organic
approved growing mix. And it’s basically just standard peat moss, which is sustainably
harvested, plus the perlite in there plus small amounts of compost. So this is what
they recommend and this is what I would recommend like if you’re going to start a raised bed
or container gardening or use like some kind of soilless gardening mixture, this is a good
product to use. This stuff comes at a 3.8 cubic feet block, so it’s nice and big,
but expanded it’s actually equivalent to about 6 cubic feet. And that’s actually
quite a good price. I’m quite impressed, and this is high quality stuff. So I’m glad
they actually make this available to people. Now once you get this, you’re going to want
to add stuff to it like the compost that you guys just saw and like some of these other
amendments that I’ll be showing you guys in just a minute. So this is the warehouse here at Biologic.
And they got all kinds of different products on pallets and then they got oyster shell
calcium and all kinds of stuff. But I want to stop over on this product right here. And
this product right here, is one of my favorite ones, ahh I’m getting a workout here, this
is actually known as the Gaia Green Glacial Rock Dust. They have this brand rock dust
and another rock dust, the Agrowinn brand. And let me see if I could hop down to back
up there, whoa, yeah! But yeah, I like, I really like the rock dust and it, I believe
in my style of gardening and biologic style of farming, gardening, you know, it’s, it’s
a critical component of this farming style because, you know, if you think about it,
we’re not really there to like feed the plants nutrients. What we’re there to do
is we’re there to feed the microbes the nutrients that break them down and make them
available for the plants. And, you know, besides the organic matter, the trace minerals are
really good nutrients for the soil microbes. They really love it and eat it up. And for
example, if you don’t have good soil microbes and things breaking down, working on breaking
down the rock dust, when you grow and use the rock dust , you may not see any benefits.
And I know there’s people out that are saying oh rock dust doesn’t work and all this kind
of stuff. Well, maybe they don’t got good biology, right? And I want to encourage you guys, you know,
like I grow food because the food you eat and the food you absorb makes up you. I want
to be the highest quality person. I want to be able to get all the different nutrients
I need from the food! And if the nutrients are not in the soil, and I’m just saying,
you know, and you think the nutrients are in the soil but they’re not in there, and
you’re making good high quality food, you’re missing stuff. I want to make sure and ensure
the nutrients are in the soil to ensure that I got in there. Because if you’re just using
leaves, the nutrients may not be in there. But if you’re using the rock dust that has
an assay, you know what you’re putting in, it’s in there and the microbes could figure
out what they’re going to do. Now aside from that, they got standard like
oyster shell calcium, they got you know standard kelp powder. This is whole kelp ground up,
not the water soluble kelp which we will be covering in a second. They got all kinds of
things over here like high phosphorus bat guano, nitrogen bat guano. Over here, oh this
one I want to really talk to you guys about. Oh this is their worm castings that you guys
saw in bulk. So if you can’t afford a big bulk tote, you could buy it by the bag. It’s
actually quite affordable. It’s about a dollar a pound at present time for the castings
in the bag. And if you buy a big tote I think it’s like, it’s less, you’re going to
save some money. But besides that, you know, one of the things
I talked about here is like I’m like okay where’s you guys’ like biochar, you know.
And they’re like oh we don’t sell biochar. I’m like biochar, man, that’s essential
to like a biologic system, right? Because the biochar, that like provides the microbes
a home where they could live, and they’re all sponge like nooks and crannies if you
look at biochar underneath the microscope. Well, they’re like well John, you know,
we got the granular humates. And the granule of the humate is also an excellent place that
the microbes could hang out in. And looking at this granular humate, I’ve seen a lot
of humanness but this looks like some really good stuff here. There’s all these little
pores and nooks and crannies in the humate. Now besides the humate being a mineral source
to break down and feed your plants and feed your soil and feed your microbes, it also
can provide housing for the microbes itself. So that’s another, you know, product that
I’ve been using for years. And I didn’t actually know all this time that it’s actually
also helping and providing a home for the microbes. I thought that it was actually just
feeding, feeding the microbes. So that’s definitely really cool. So the last thing in this area that I want
to show you guys is actually right here. This is actually called the Biologic Humus. And
this biologic humus, what they call biologic humus here, what this is, you know, this is
kind of like the, a fungal dominated compost. And this is actually derived from wild alaskan
humus. So this is a fungal dominated compost that they’re offering here. And you know,
this is very important and a key to my gardening style. And when I started adding the humus
to my garden, because I didn’t add it from the offset. When I first learned and started
gardening I didn’t really know about the fungal dominated compost and how important
it was to have a proper biologic system going on in your garden. I know a lot of you guys
have not incorporated any kind of biologic humus or other fungal dominated compost into
your garden, so you haven’t gotten the results unless actually you guys are composting your
own wood chips, right. If you just lay wood chips on the ground and let them sit there,
maybe inoculate them with some fungus, they’ll break down over a couple years. And you want
to go and harvest that bottom layer and have the rich black broken down wood chips that
are going to have these like white little threads which is the fungal hyphae running
through there, and use that in your garden, you know. Once I started using the fungal
dominated compost, I saw my plants and my crops started getting bigger like, I mean,
just a little while ago, well maybe a year or two ago now, I had a beet, a beet was like
this large! And I’ve never seen a beet that large. But this is the power of the fungus
and what happens when you get your soil fully balanced out. Alright, so the next thing I want to show
you guys is actually I’m going to go ahead and walk in this little bunker room. This
is where they used to have all the different organic fertilizers and stuff. Now they just
have a few things in here. But I really want to stop here. I mean, they got all kinds of
different, their own branded Biologic System products. But they got something here. And
some people, you know, that I have had on my show before wouldn’t appreciate this
stuff. But after today I think I do. And what we have here is this is the organic liquid
seaweed concentrate by Acadian. Now they are a big company, they makes all different kinds
of seaweed products. And you know, there’s pros and cons to everything in life, you know.
And you know, I was led to believe that the organic seaweed powder or kelp powder that
was water soluble was like some of the best stuff. Because it’s water soluble. But the
thing with that is that they add additives to make it water soluble, and those additives
while maybe considered organic are not quite as natural as, you know, the liquid seaweed
concentrate that’s a 100% liquid seaweed without any kind of additives in it. So, you
know, there’s pros and cons to everything. And at this point instead of maybe getting
a soluble kelp, I might actually want to get the liquid seaweed concentrate. Now they’re
both really good and kelp, once again, that’s another foundational aspect of my gardening
style and also the biologic gardening and farming that they teach here. Because it also
adds the trace minerals and a whole bunch of other different compounds like hormones
and oxidants and things that could help your plant to grow and thrive. So the next thing I want to do, since you
guys saw some of the different products they have here, they have a lot more that I don’t
have to the time to go over with for you guys today, I wanted to actually take you guys
in the office. This is probably the most important part of this video. I mean I had fun getting
my hands in the dirt and showing you guys some stuff and talking about some stuff. But
what I want to show you guys next is actually really important if you’re ever going to
be buying any kind of bagged or even bulk soil products. What you will want to ask for
as the things that they have inside this office that unfortunately most places selling soil,
bagged soils and even bulks soils, don’t have. And furthermore I’ll explain why asking
for these things are actually quite important. So let’s head into the office and show you
guys what’s happening in here. So this is a very small office here. And in
this office they have a lot of different products here. And it’s cool that Biologic here they
only sell like organic solutions. So they, you won’t find chemical pesticides and chemically
derived things and all this stuff. These are all natural solutions to solve things like
pest problems, and to grow some of the highest quality, you know, vegetables, food, plants,
medicinal herbs or whatever else you’re growing. Now the reason why this works is
simply this chart right here. This is actually called Micro-organisms found in soil, compost,
castings and compost teas. And this is a picture of what should be in your soil. And by using
things like chemical farming, you know, these things cannot reproduce, survive, and they’re,
they’re getting edged out and kicked out of the soil because the chemicals and all
these things don’t allow them to flourish whereas the products that they offer here
will. So some of the things that are, that should be in your soil, that may not be, things
like the bacterial, clumping bacterial, anaerobic indicators like the bacillus, cyanobacteria,
acinetobacteria, algae, fungal hyphae, these are just some of the pictures of what they
look like, flagellates. Ecto mycorrhizae disease causing fungi, these shouldn’t be in your
soil if you got healthy soil. And they just show like amoebas, ciliates, nematodes, rhodephytas,
all different kinds of cool stuff, right. And how do you know if these things are in
the soils that you’ve got? Well you could get testing. And even more importantly, you
want to get testing of or there should be testing when you buy your bagged or bulk soil.
So one of the common tests that they’ll have when you buy soils at the soil yard or
even a bagged soil product, you would hope and they should have product testing like
this. This is from International Ag Labs. But this is a soil analysis report. So what
this basically tells you, this tells you like the NPK and some of the other, you know, standard
minerals and things in the soil. And this is what most places will have. So you want
to ask for that because if they don’t have this then I don’t know what they’re doing.
Because you want to know at least the levels. And if you know you don’t have to go to
school for soil microbiology because I didn’t, or like anything like this. You want to look
at this. This is a pretty easy thing to look at. You’re going to look at, so for example,
if we’re looking here at calcium. Calcium it says, you know, the desired level is 3000
and in this lab result it’s 3112. So is that good or bad? That’s good! If the desired
results is 3000, this is 3112, hey that’s pretty good, right? You want to make sure
that the lab result is probably at least as high as the desired level. If it’s not then
that may not be a good thing. And if one thing is out of range, that may not be necessarily
a bad thing because not any one product may have all the different nutrients. But if there’s
a lot of things that are below the desired level, that would, in many cases indicate
to me that it’s not a good soil product that you guys should buy. Now this is just the base line. This is the
minimum you want to ask for. But what you really want to ask for aside from that is
something like this. This is an, this is called the Food Soil Web Testing. This one is actually
done by EarthFort. And actually this one is done by the microbial matrix. And this testing,
in my opinion, is even more important than just the NPK testing. or the standard testing
that most places, you know, whether that’s a nursery or soil yard or whatever, will have.
Because what this does, this shows you what kind of , you know, bacteria and fungi and
other things are in the soil at the time of the testing. And this test should be also
the current year’s test. So they should constantly be getting updated testing because
every time they make a new batch of compost, they get a new batch of worm castings, or
whatever, you know, it’s going to be a little bit different because things change over time.
The biology and things in the mixtures change over time. So you want to make sure they have
updated testing. The reasonable amount of time for them to have is at least within the
last year. If it’s got, oh yeah we got testing in 2003, man that’s 13 years old! That ain’t
good anymore. You need to have it pretty current, right. So in this testing here, this is the testing
of one of their product. I don’t know which one, maybe it’s the worm casting or maybe
it’s the humus, but on here basically what you’re going to look at, once again like
that other test, they’re going to tell you the reference ranges or how, how much they
should be in. And not in every case it’s always going to be high. For example, a fungal
dominated compost, if it’s a fungal dominated compost it should be high in fungus, and it
may have lower bacterial counts, but it also is going to have the bacteria in there. But
if they’re trying to sell you a fungal dominated compost and the fungus activity in here is
low, in my opinion that’s not a fungal dominated compost and should not be sold as one. But
you know, I don’t know if there’s any necessary labeling laws that people say this
is fungal dominated compost made out of wood chips but it may not have the fungal activity.
And you don’t know unless they got the testing. And this one is for the, the humus product,
the fungal dominated humus product that they offer. We’re looking at the active bacteria
is in this test result it’s 62 and the range is between 3 and 30, so that’s actually
double the range. The total bacteria is 1327, the range is between 300 and 3000. So if this
is a bacterial based compost, you’re like man that’s kind of like in the middle, maybe
low middle side, that’s not that good. But this is a fungal dominated compost! Not necessarily
for the bacteria although it’s in there. And the active fungi in here, the expected
range is low 3, high is 30. This is a 102, three times the reference range! So that to
me means this is a good fungal dominated compost. So I mean, we could get more into the different
things, you know, they got the protozoa which is also important. And they got fungal bacterial
or fungal to bacterial ratios and all this kind of stuff. You could look at all this
stuff. But, you know, mainly we just want to look at the testing and make sure it’s
within the reference range or, you know, between it. Oh here’s a really cool thing. The amoebas
in this testing result, let’s see the expected range is low 10,000, high is like that’s
a big number, I don’t think I have that much money, it’s one hundred million, no
wait, a million, what’s after a hundred thousand, yeah a million. It’s a million
dollars. No it’s a million amoebas, say, amoebas. Anyways, the testing was like 4,780,032.
So this is like 4 times the range. This is incredible! So we want to get products that
have, you know, a high, really high numbers. Now besides just the numbers, we want to also
check that there’s a diversity of these different microbes in there. So yeah, very
important to, you know, make sure that the place you’re buying from, specially if they’re
selling to you as a biologic product, they have this testing where you could actually
see it. So yeah, that will help you guys out a lot. Now we’re coming to the end of this episode.
The last thing I want to do is actually interview one of the girls here that knows a lot about
this stuff, that’s here to help you guys. If you guys come down, she’ll probably be
the one helping you out. We’re going to go ahead and ask her some questions about
Biologic Crop Solutions and how it can help you guys grow a healthier, better garden or
farm. So before we interview Jasmina, another thing
I wanted to share with you guys in this office that’s, you know, impressive to me. And
if you guys go to a place to buy soils and things like that, they should hopefully also
have some things like this, you know. A big part of this is actually education and educating
the consumers because most people have not had the, you know, exposure to growing biologic
or microbially. Even master gardeners unfortunately, in their curriculum they’re not really taught
about all this stuff. I mean, this is like beyond, you know, what most colleges and universities
teach. They may touch on this, but this is like really where it’s at. And, you know,
the education is important. So they have magazines, one of which is my favorite magazine Acres
USA, which has been talking about this forever. They also have, you know, books. This is one
of my favorite books, Teaming with Microbes. And if you want to learn more about biologic,
organic farming and gardening, you want to pick up this book. This book breaks down,
you know, biologic farming and gardening, you know, in easy layman’s terms. So you
guys could get it and understand it. You know, I definitely recommend reading it. I mean
it says, The Organic Guide to Optimizing Plant Nutrition. And that is by using the methods
that they offer products that allow you to do just that. So yeah, next let’s go ahead and sit down
with Jasmina and ask her some questions. John: So now I’m here with the beautiful
Jasmina, who’s not only beautiful but she’s also the manager and a biologist who works
here and will help you guys out probably if you guys come.
So Jasmina, first question I have for you is – How did you get into this business and
get into soil? Because, you know, there’s not a lot of, you know, women in, in , in
this kind of work actually that know a lot, or just even guys that know a lot. Jasmina: I am lucky to be one of the few.
I started out with a biology degree. And then I realized that I was very interested in soil
and regenerative agriculture and working with other beings, other humans, other microbes
to have a greater effect and have a greater good. So I got into this business through
friends, through a desire to use my biology degree to actually have an effect and benefit
other people. So I was lucky enough to find this company. And they needed someone to help
begin to broaden and widen our sphere of influence and make it so we can really spread regenerative
agriculture. John: Awesome, that’s great. Yeah, man,
I mean, she’s really passionate like at least as passionate as I am. I mean when I
came here, she’s like so excited about this stuff like, maybe even more excited than me
sometimes! It’s really cool that she’s like really into it. And she knows like a
lot of stuff too. I’m super impressed. Hey what does your shirt say? Jasmina: It says- dirt is dead, soil is alive John: So what’s the difference between dirt
and soil? Jasmina: Alright, so dirt is your materials,
your sandstones, your clays, your actual structure of soil. Soil is when it’s brought to life.
It includes not only the sandstone, the clay, but the organic material that’s breaking
down, and most importantly the microbes, the living microbes that are the only thing, the
only reasons why nutrients cycle at all. And if the only reasons why we’re here and we
get to experience this, it’s because these microbes they’re breaking down materials
and working their microbial magic to help plants succeed and help us succeed as well. John: Awesome. So like if somebody has like
dirt in the back of their house because they just planted a garden there, and you know,
would it be successful or what? Jasmina: Absolutely. Yeah. And what we, all
we do is we add the life. And so we suggest, we look at the porosity and see if it was
really compact, if we needed to add the filler to that. But basically to turn dirt into soil,
you just add the biology enough times for the biology of those populations to take hold
and begin to reproduce. And they will turn the dirt into soil like they’ve been doing
for thousands of years. John: Awesome. So you know, one of the big
questions that comes up for me is like, you know, people may have their back yard. And
I recommend, you know, growing in raised beds you guys, if you guys never done it before.
But some people might want to just garden in the dirt because they can’t afford a
lot of compost. And it’s normally thought that oh you know I got the dirt in the back
yard, if I add compost to it, it’s going to turn into soil. So is compost enough to
make your garden flourish? Jasmina: It is indefinitely the basis and
it should be your major nutrient source. However sometimes it’s not enough. You apply your
layers of compost and still your plants aren’t growing, your soil is still compact. So sometimes
we look to concentrated inocula like compost teas, like certain isolated microbes. And
so sometimes our soil food web needs our help. And so we get to facilitate the soil food
web by adding concentrated doses of beneficial microbes and really establish a functioning
regenerative soil food web that maintains health both for the plant, the soil and anyone
else who comes into contact. John: Awesome. So, you know, I like that word
‘regenerative’ right. And let’s talk about that for a second. Because a lot of
people don’t get this point, right. So like, in the standard model if you go maybe across
the street and bought like a 10-10-10 you know chemical fertilizer, which I wouldn’t
personally use. But with that you got to keep buying the, the fertilizer to keep putting
into your soil because once you put it in there, it’s water soluble, it drains away
and it’s gone. And it feeds your plant but then it also drains away and can pollute things,
which is not good. So you’re actually kind of like, you’re kind of like an addict.
You’re hooked on, on chemical fertilizer like you could be hooked on alcohol or hooked
on you know, pharmaceutical drugs or whatever you’re hooked on. So, so why is regenerative
agriculture and setting up a system like this, I mean, if you set up a system properly, will
you ever have to buy fertilizer again? Jasmina: That all depends, if you’re in
raised beds obviously you do need to mimic nature and provide the organic materials that
the microbes are going to pull the fertilizers from. Technically speaking, no you shouldn’t
have to apply any available fertilizers if your soil is healthy enough, you have the
proper microbes to break down the nutrients. So we don’t use fertilizers unless we absolutely
need to to jump start the eco system and the soil food web. However we prefer the raw organic
materials through regenerative practices in that the organic materials are decomposed,
incorporated into the bodies of the microbes, go throughout the soil food web, transfer
between microbes and then up to the plant. And then the plant then continues to secrete
exudates back into the soil, putting those nutrients back in for use later. John: Awesome. So basically in layman’s
terms, that was kind of biology, I’m not a biologist, but in layman’s terms what
this means is once you get the system set up properly and by adding some maybe some
additional food sources after every season, every year like some more compost, maybe some
rock dust, some trace minerals and what not. And you don’t need to add fertilizer because
basically you got the little worker bees or in this case it’s the biology, you know,
amoebas and the bacteria and the fungi, they’re breaking down all this organic matter and
they’re making fertilizer or, you know, nutrients for your plants. And this just keeps
going. I mean, think about it. There’s no fertilizer pixies in the forest. There’s
no fertilizer pixie in the grass land, right? But nature makes it’s own, creates it’s
own fertility over time because it has the microbium or the beneficials in there. And
the organic matter that keeps dropping and piling on and composting in place. And this
is what I try to duplicate in my garden. So I’m glad, you know, Biologic Crop Solutions
is here to offer you guys the products, you know. So, Jasmina, what are some of the best
products that somebody could add to jump start their garden today? Like if they never did
anything before? Jasmina: Obviously we would stay away from
high NPK fertilizers. Those fertilizers which are salt water soluble nutrients, they’re
only going to harm the microbes. What we would suggest to really get your soil biology, your
food web healthy and functioning, would be a product that’s diverse and abundant in
soil microbes like a humus product, worm castings, organic material you might find around your
own property, if you see mycelial networks those white fungal webs anywhere in the forest,
go ahead and grab a small handful so that you may use that as an inocula. So we suggest
a diverse raw materials in their purest form that provides the nutrients that plants need
when they need it instead of the water soluble fertilizers that not only increase the salt
content of your soil but they also are actually killing the native microbes in that they remove
the water from the microbial bodies. John: So Jasmina, you talked about low NPK.
So why do we actually want to use fertilizers with low NPK numbers at all? Jasmina: We do need some water soluble nutrients.
Plants do need to eat. And so it is important that we do have NPKs, NPK represent the water
soluble nutrients that are available, so we do need to make sure that there are nutrients
available in a water soluble form so the plants can uptake them. But we prefer to get fertilizers
from organic materials that naturally have a low NPK. They’re not synthesized , they’re
not changed at all by humans, it is just the raw material. Such as your kelp meal, you
rock dust, those materials we’d suggest to fertilize in that indirect way. You apply
the raw organic nutrients in it’s complex organic material form instead of the water
soluble form which not only will kill your microbes and raise your salt, it will get
flushed away as well. So there are so many reasons to go low NPK high microbial diversity.
You only want a small percentage of the fertilizer to be available at any one time so that you
do have more for later without ever burning a a plant. John: Yeah. So the thing I think unsaid Jasmina,
was that once you add the complex NPKs, right, the bacteria and the micro organisms break
it down at a rate that the plant needs. Is that correct? Jasmina: Absolutely correct. Yeah, plants
actually secrete carbohydrates and sugars, both out of the roots and leaves, their entire
epidermis is secreting carbohydrates and sugars to feed their beneficial microbes. And it
adjusts, the plants adjust the exudates based on which nutrient they specifically need or
what environmental stress or pathogen that they’re dealing with at the moment. So plants
literally communicate with their microbial matrix with the, with their microbial allies.
And so they will ask in their own way, they will talk with the microbes and they will
ask for what nutrients they need at any one time. And the microbes will be able to not
only understand the plant but perform that function faster than we ever could. So it’s
no longer our responsibility to a certain extent to diagnose problems, we need to actually
treat the issue instead of the just the symptom by applying the beneficial microbes. And assuming
that after thousands of years of evolving with plants, they know what to do. John: Awesome. So let’s talk about that
what are some of the benefits of using this biologic approach to growing food? Jasmina: Limitless nearly. So it is once you
build a healthy soil food web, you do not need to apply available fertilizers so it
will cut cost. It cuts cost down drastically compared to conventional agriculture in which
we’re used to feeding the plants every nutrient exactly when it needs it, and then dealing
with the different loss and damage that come with over fertilizing. So to take it from
a regenerative perspective, not only is is less expensive, it’s more diverse. Diversity
is really important with dealing with biologic agriculture. If you have a lot of the same
microbe, it is not nearly as valuable as having different species that perform different functions.
So when you take your agriculture, your gardening, your farming, from a perspective of high microbial
diversity with a biologic mindset, then you have that stability your soil food web is
diverse, it’s strong, it can perform functions your plant needs instead of setting up from
the conventional framework which is treating things from a chemical perspective without
acknowledging that the chemistry is a result of the biology and you’re going to see some
major problems if you only treat it from a chemical perspective. John: Cool. So are people going see like larger
plants, healthier plants, you know, I mean, cost cutting of course they’re going to
have to spend less money over time. I mean, less diseases, less pests, I mean, what have
you seen and what feedback have you gotten from customers now? Jasmina: Nutrient density. So you’re, the
yields that some conventional farmers and gardeners are used to are not necessarily
going to be seen within your first season. As your soil food web does grow, the nutrient
density and complexity, you see a very high concentration of the nutrients we’re all
looking for to sustain ourselves. And when you have biologic based agriculture you have
much higher number of those important enzymes and nutrients in your food. You’ll have
more healthy plants, far more disease resistance. And that’s one of the major differences.
When you take things from a fertilizer high NPK perspective, you not only are harming
your beneficials, you’re also attracting pathogens because all of those water soluble
nutrients attract so many different other what we think as negative, at least from the
plant’s perspective, microbes that are only going to cause the plant problems. If you
have a solid, healthy soil food web, you’re going to have that stability, you’re not
going to see nearly as much disease and you’re going to have healthier plants and healthier
soils for season and season to come. That’s another important part. It’s not just about
this season. Although many people, we do deal with annual plants and so we think just a
few months or one season perspective. It’s very important to think of your soil. It is
building and it’s getting more complex, more resilient, it’s adapting and changing
based on what you’ve put in the soil, based on what the environmental factors are like.
So it’s very important to invest in the future in your soil. John: And it’s also very important to invest
in the future of our soil and of the earth for future generations. So you know, by using
chemicals it’s destroying the soil, it’s creating dead zones in the gulf. But by building
your soil, you can leave your soil better. And when you got it better than when you had
it when you bought your farm, better than when you bought your house, you can leave
it even healthier and make the earth a healthier place. And we all need to do this! Because
it’s going to take all of us to make a change in the world. So Jasmina, another thing that’s
very important is compost tea. I know that’s critical to your system. If you guys live
in the local area, it’s definitely worth a drive to pick up your 3 free gallons, make
sure you bring your own container, you know, on Tuesdays. But why is that so important
and people should use compost tea, and a properly designed and made compost tea. Because people
will put like cow manure in a bucket with water and let it sit for two days and call
that compost tea. I don’t personally call that compost tea. But, you know, what’s
your opinions on why it’s important and maybe a better way and proper way to get a
really high, highly active microbial compost tea? Jasmina: Diversity. Diversity is key. And
that’s one of the reasons why you would want to invest or at least obtain some compost
tea to get your soil food web started or at least to broaden that. Because you may have
your own compost pile, you may have a way to collect the liquid that comes off of that
pile. And you may make your compost tea even in an aerated form. However it’s important
that you get as many different numbers of species as possible. So sometimes it is beneficial
to turn to commercially produced sources of your bacteria and your fungi and your protozoa
and your nematodes and all of our other beneficial microbes just so you have them in your system.
They reproduce, they sustain themselves naturally. So it’s not like you’re constantly purchasing
these products. But it is good to initially get that diversity in there. Something, some
species that you may not have in your native environment. It’s both important to have
your native effective micro organisms, your native microbes in addition to a diverse subset
of beneficial ones from the plant’s perspective that may not reside in your area. So sometimes
compost tea provides what applying tons and tons of compost to your soil cannot really
get going. John: Awesome, awesome. So Jasmina, it sounds
like the, the compost tea really has your worker bees in there and it’s going to give
your soil all the workers that are there to do their job. So let’s talk about like using
these workers to help prevent diseases and what not. So how can they help with you know,
maybe powdery mildew or something like that? Jasmina: Beautiful. So not only justly out
competing. So it’s a microbial world and they’re always competing for space. So in
your soil, on your plant surface, there’s only a set number of potential places for
these microbes to attach and become and use as their home. So the beneficial microbes
are used to prevent disease and treat it. So they prevent it by just being present.
Their presence prevents another pathogen from taking their place. There’s only so many
places on your plant surface or in your soil for those microbes to live. And so just by
sheer existing, just by outcompeting them, having as many different beneficials in your
soil will make it harder for the pathogens to find a foothold and a place to enter, a
vulnerable point in your plant. Not only do we have that indirect way of preventing them,
we do have certain microbes that will target different pests or pathogens. We have one
for powdered mildew, for botrytis, for caterpillars, for different insects. We have ways to use
the soil food web to our advantage once we understand a few things about how it works.
We can use a predator to go after a pest or pathogen that will specifically go after that
pest without clear cutting and destroying all of your beneficials. The thing, the reason
why we don’t use pesticides, we try not to, is that they’re not , they don’t distinguish
between your target organism and other life. And so not only are you going to hurt and
decrease your populations of the target pathogen you’re trying to work with, you’re also
going to be inadvertently harming and decreasing your beneficial populations, other microbes
that aren’t necessary beneficial but they’re presence there was out competing a pathogen.
So you’re going to be missing many different functions when you apply a pesticide and kill
your beneficials. And it actually leaves your plant more vulnerable for another infestation
to take hold, a more severe one. So we like using our beneficials consciously using the
predators of a pathogen that will only go after that pathogen without harming our soil
as a whole. John: That’s awesome. And yeah if you’re
using chemical pesticides and what not, and then you eat the food, it could be harming
you. And there’s a lot of data and research to that effect also. So Jasmina, another thing
that’s very important to me and I covered a little bit earlier in the video is the trace
minerals. So how important are trace minerals to this whole microbial system, you know?
Do people really need to add the rock dust? That’s a question I get so much, John, rock
dust is not worth it, you know. I mean, I don’t know if you guys would even sell it
if it wasn’t really worth it. But, you know, what’s your take on that as a biologist
and the manager here who gets a lot of feedback from the customers on using the rock dust
and some other trace mineral products? Jasmina: As we’re finding out both with
our own health and with plant health and soil health is minerals are very important for
overall health and disease resistance. Our emphasis on available macro fertilizers is
now we’re realizing that that’s not the focus. It should not be. And a little bit,
a very small concentration of diverse sets of minerals does far more for the plant than
a whole lot of your available macro fertilizers. And so with the minerals, you are providing
the microbes the raw materials they need to give the plant what it’s asking for. We
do need to add the minerals to the soil because we need to give the microbes some resources
that they can extract and create these fertilizers and give them up to the plant. We can’t
expect the microbes to fix everything if we don’t give them the starting materials to
build soil correctly. John: So is it true by adding a diversity
of trace minerals, you’ll also be building diversity of your microbium or the microbes
in there? Because is it true that certain microbes feed on certain minerals and may
reproduce more than others if they don’t have the right microbes? Jasmina: Absolutely. Yeah, we have certain
microbes that soluble isophosphorus and potassium and do certain functions. And they intake
different minerals in order to provide those functions. And so, just like we’re talking
about biologic diversity, having a diversity of minerals and nutrients is very important
as well. There’s different types of each nutrient and certain microbes prefer different
types. And having that diversity will at least if not guarantee, will increase the likelihood
that you have in your soil the specific nutrient in that specific form that the microbe needs
to give to your plants so that your plant can deal with whatever pressure it is going
through. John: Awesome, awesome. Yeah, so I mean, to
sum this up, you want to have diversity of the microbes and the minerals and get a good
biologic system in your garden growing. And that’s what I teach. I teach not only just
organic. Because, you know, in organic gardening they do a lot of stuff and they may not be
focused on and know the importance of the microbes. They just keep putting down some
manure and, you know, some of this organic fertilizer which is like water soluble and
may contain you know toxins in there if it’s like you know like poetry manure from like
foster farms or other you know tycin and they’re feeding their chickens things that aren’t
so good and then it ends up in their poop. Not so good. So Jasmina, why is it so important
to, you know, do this organically and, you know, all the products you chose to offer
here are like organic and natural? Jasmina: It’s important to have your organic
materials so that you have the foundation, your soil is a few different components and
we want them to be regenerative and to be self sustained in there. And so to do that
we put in a diverse array of organic material because that’s the important part. Your
organic material is your source of fertilizers, your source of life, your microbial food which
allows the microbes to build the soil as your plants needs. John: Awesome. Yeah, diversity, diversity,
diversity. So Jasmina, last thing I’d like to say is what are you guys’ hours here,
if you guys want to like drop by and check out Jasmina, learn from her and get some cool
stuff here? Jasmina: Beautiful. So we have two locations.
The Santa Rosa location here is open from Monday through Friday from 10am to 5pm. And
then on Saturdays from 10am to 4pm. And then we also have a location in Southern Oregon,
which also does free tea every Tuesday as well. And they are located in Phoenix, right
outside of Ashland. Their hours are Monday to Friday 10am to 6pm, and then Saturdays
from 10am to 4. John: Awesome. So if somebody can’t make
it out to one of your stores here. Do you guys like have online ordering or can somebody
call and you guys could ship them some products or how does that work? Jasmina: Absolutely. We love to get the products
to you any way we can. We do have a website which allows you to order online. And we love
getting phone calls and shipping products to you. We’ll try to find the most reasonable
way to ship because we don’t want these products to get to their final destination
and begin to build the soil as they are intended. John: That’s awesome. Yeah I mean, I think
it’s really cool that they just really want to get soil biology back into the soil! And
they do that by compost tea and also offering all these products. So what’s the website
and how can somebody get a hold of you? Jasmina: Beautiful. The website is
That’s one of the best ways to contact us. Also by phone. The Santa Rosa is 707-800-7486.
The Phoenix location is 541-535-6726. And then we’re available by email at [email protected] John: Awesome! So Jasmina, any last comments
you’d like to say to my viewers today before we close up the video? Jasmina: We are excited to work with you!
We enjoy what we do here being facilitators of the soil food web, positive practices,
positive participants in the soil food web. And we look forward to working with you and
helping you build you soil food web in any way we can. John: That’s awesome. Yeah, I mean, I’m
glad I was able to come out and make a video today after like 3 years of driving by this
place so many times and visiting. They really got it to a nice place now where they got
some of the, you know, greatest products. And this has been my like as I said earlier
that my ace in the hole, you know. It’s been my like little secret. But I couldn’t
keep a secret any longer because I want you guys to know about this so you guys could
get the benefits of this. And that’s simply why I make my videos for you guys. So anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode
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